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  Can you be DF'd for obesity?

  by cosmo in

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  if jw's can be(or should i say are) df'd for smoking, why aren't people df'd for obesity.. it seems they say that you are violating your body and hurting it from smoking but i've never seen a person live over the age of 80 that was obese.

  just seems like being obese is worse than smoking.

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  When I was an elder on the east coast (USA) the brothers would always tell me of an CO by the name of Caramelus (not sure how to spell the name, he was Greek).

  Anyway this brother was responsible for the removal of many elders in the circuit and a favorite reason of his for removal of elders was their being over weight. According to the word of many oldtimers he associated over weight with gluttony and used that as grounds for removal, and the Society backed him up.

  In fact one fellow elder even gave a CO somewhat of a hard time because he was over weight and sighted this brother just mentioned. the CO was a little put out to say the least.

  Any oldtimers that can verify it with first hand info?

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  How long is a creation day?

  by cosmo in

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  i've asked quite a few jw's and it seems the answer varies.

  some say 1000 years other say 6,000 or 7,000 years.. only one gave me a answer that i found logical.

  a creative day has no set amount of time.

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  I don't feel anybody has enough information to say how long a creative day can be, they can only guess.

  Could be 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 years, anybody's guess.

  I'm sure there is someone like You Know who will be so dogmatic and venture to give you an exact time.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  how do i shut a j.w up?

  by h2o in

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  i know many j.w's and they are allways hassling me with there beliefs and making me feel pretty hacked off at times,is there anything i could say to shut them up or any good questions that they don't like being asked,i assume there are a few ex j.w's on this forum so you must have come across some tricky questions before,hope someone can give some advice?thanks

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  Come on in, Oh btw, I'm a disfellowshipped JW, I was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

  Just take seat we can have a nice chat..... Hey where did he go?

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Are JW's Christians. Will They Go To Heaven?

  by stevieb1 in

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  i know there is a huge gulf between the doctrines of the wtbts and the bible, many major doctrines minor beliefs all contradicting scripture but that being said can we say categorically that jw's are not true christians in the sense that their belief system is corrupt.

  if they genuinely believe that they are footstep followers of christ and try to display the fruitages of the spirit then will they not equally qualify for everlasting life?

  isn't god above orthodoxy and can he not forgive them individually especially since the society keeps the truth of the bible hidden from them?.

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  Steve,

  I would venture to give my personal opinion, that the ratio of true verses false Christians is probably the same for JW's as any other High Control group that claims to be Christian.

  And I base my opinion on this:
  Matthew 13 (wheat & weed parable).

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Ray Franz Books Left People With No Where To Go?

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  someone reported in another thread that ray franz has grown concerned that his books have not helped those who have read them because it left them with nowhere to go.

  i'm reminded of a phrase that i heard repeatedly during my 30 years as a watchtower toady.

  "if this isn't the truth, then there is no truth".

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  I feel that Ray Franz's books have told us where to go, you just have to read them a little more closely and you will see (especially the Search book).

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  How Would You Respond?

  by silentlambs in

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  i know this is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, but i just have to share this email i got a few minutes ago.

  i think it encapsulates the response many will have, no matter what is said about the molestation issue.

  i invite you read it, put yourself in my shoes, and see how you might offer a response.

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  SL,

  I've just read you post and not the responses to it yet.

  So I'd just like to say who ever sent you that email sounds like a totally complete ASS.

  [QUOT]Get real. There is no way to stop this and your objections to their structure show how much you dont know about society in general. Nobody has an answer to this and you cant go around making accusations because a 10 year old says so.[/QUOTE]

  I guess his solution would be, we should all just take lifes problems and not do a dam thing about them.
  Just say "that's the way it is it will never change" just except, except, except. I wounder if this person even has a brain in his head.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  To all snipers and bombers

  by Norm in

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  the approach of ex-jehovah's witnesses towards those still witnesses has been debated since the problem first occurred.

  personally i joined the ranks of ex-witnesses in 1988 and found myself more or less thrown into the fray appearing in media like newspapers, radio and tv.

  one of the first things i noticed was the interest bestowed upon me from competing churches, particularly from the pentecostalism camp.

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  Norm,

  Good points and well taken, you keep your style and call'em as you see them.

  Tina,

  Thanks for the welcome.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Where Do I Go Now? Is There An Answer??

  by individual in

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  with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.

  although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.

  my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.

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  Dear Individual,

  The point is not where but who do I go to now(JC).
  There is no one true religion, you can look till kingdom come you won't find it.

  You don't want to "throw out the baby with the bath water" so to speak. There are some very correct things that you were taught by the JW's, you have to decide for your self what teaching are correct and which are worthless. A careful search would be in order.

  If you are looking for an organization that will answer all your questions you won't find it. If life were only that easy. People who are looking for someone to make all their hard choices in life are easy targets for Cults. So If anyone claims to have all the answers watch out!

  You are about to embark I think on a very interesting and hopefully wounderfull journey (that is up tp you).

  I feel a person should go to Jesus Christ(no religious organization).

  As well as feeling that they have gone bad, I also feel that some of the theology from the bible was correct, is there any truth out there in this world?

  I beleive the Bible is truth, but put little faith in men, the Bible even warns us about putting too much faith in men does it not?

  You can be a Christian without joining any religion.
  I feel a great openess toward any who put faith in Jesus but will not belong to this or that man made group. To belong to a particular Christian religious group means you got to beleive what that group beleives(or you could be censored in some way).
  I don't want anybody ever again to force me to do that. I will instead read and study and make up my own mind as to what proper and what improper, that is my responsibilty before God I alone will have to answer for it, not some man made self appointed religious leader.
  Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you can't be a Christian if you belong to this or that group, you can it's just a lot harder.

  By the way no one has everything correct, we all have a measure of wrong understanding. But that's not so important the important thing is we exercise faith in Jesus and follow the law of love(unwritten).

  I could say alot more but this is all for now.

  Best wishes for you Individual.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  To all snipers and bombers

  by Norm in

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  the approach of ex-jehovah's witnesses towards those still witnesses has been debated since the problem first occurred.

  personally i joined the ranks of ex-witnesses in 1988 and found myself more or less thrown into the fray appearing in media like newspapers, radio and tv.

  one of the first things i noticed was the interest bestowed upon me from competing churches, particularly from the pentecostalism camp.

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  Just my .02

  I think it most helpful when someone writes in a style that can be easily understood (that is most important). IMHO
  
  Factual, verifiable, clear, reasonable, and avoidance of overly opionated phrasing, to me are most convincing and helpful.

  Being blunt is fine, but you must make sense, being overly harsh often will make the reader less likely to take our point seriously, feel that we just have an ax to grind and that our reasoning may be tainted and not to be taken seriously.

  I for one find there is a lot of very good thinkers and writers here.
  I've learned a lot from even the severly disgrunted.

  While it always good to make your point without stabbing the other person to death with it, I feel if we don't take ourselves too seriously we can we can even learn from the shall we say, the overly agressive point maker.

  All kind off people come out of the Borg, some with a tremedious chip on their shoulder (can you blame them?). The JW lurker with half a brain must know that, were not all the same, we were just all fooled at one time. And so It's quite normal to expect a variety of personal styles of writting posted here, where there is (thanks to Simom), a healthy freedom of speak.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  WHAT/WHERE DO WE WRITE LETTERS TO NEWS & WT??

  by waiting in

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  how - what - to whom - & where can addresses be found for various newspapers & wtbts?

  ok, this has been pointedly mentioned by barbara anderson, maximus, larc - and actually done by zazuwitts - and others fine people here.

  i've asked this before, and so have others (thankfully so i don't feel like the only simple one).

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  Just a thought:

  How about writting everything on a post card when writting to someone at Bethel like say James Pelechia?,JR Brown,Don Adams, or some others.

  Why not put on the front that it is reguards to Pedophilia, or what ever, that way alot of people can perhaps read it because it is on a post card.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.